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Subject : RE: How Omnivest Works
Posted : 5/12/2014 9:35 AM
Post #30528 - In reply to #30524

Geoff: Great Job on the flowchart. You ask for any corrections - Its very small and insignificant but under "Manual Portfolio Process" I believe CAMAR s/b CALMAR.

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Subject : RE: How Omnivest Works
Posted : 5/12/2014 10:43 AM
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Really nice & easy to understand flowchart, Geoff!
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Subject : RE: How Omnivest Works
Posted : 5/12/2014 10:51 AM
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Goeff - very clear! This would be a good "standard" for Nirvana to use for future documentation ... the style is uncluttered and tells the story well.

Thank you!
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Subject : RE: How Omnivest Works
Posted : 5/12/2014 5:09 PM
Post #30538 - In reply to #30528

Thanks everyone for your positive feedback on my flowchart, I'm glad to be making some small contribution to this great forum of ideas.

@tgrafa - thanks for spotting that typo, nice work! I will fix that.
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Subject : RE: How Omnivest Works
Posted : 5/12/2014 6:06 PM
Post #30539 - In reply to #30524

Geoff, this is wonderful. I'm working on an instruction manual of sorts for non-technical users. Can I use this?

Steve
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Subject : RE: How Omnivest Works
Posted : 5/12/2014 6:17 PM
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Originally written by blueoceancruiser on 5/13/2014 9:06 AM

Geoff, this is wonderful. I'm working on an instruction manual of sorts for non-technical users. Can I use this?

Steve


Steve, if it can help anyone to get started, I would be more than happy for you to utilise it anyway you can.

BTW, I have just updated it with the 'Strategy Creation Tools' but, if you have any suggestions to improve it, I would be happy to make changes for you.
Attached file : OV Basic Use Flowchart Ver 2.pdf (129KB - 454 downloads)

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Subject : RE: How Omnivest Works
Posted : 5/12/2014 6:30 PM
Post #30541 - In reply to #30540

Thanks Geoff. I'm creating a separate website (with Ed's initial blessing) and will probably just use snippets of it there. It's intended to be for those that are not interested in technical analysis and just want to use OV to make some money. No jiggering, no unbelivable equity curves, just simple stuff about how to setup a "good" account and start making some money.
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Subject : RE: How Omnivest Works
Posted : 5/12/2014 7:01 PM
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Steve, I think that is a great idea!

This thread started by Mel, I think, really highlights the last hurdle to be faced by OV (lets assume OV is/will be successful, as we all think), and that is its perceived complexity. When I read Mel's post I initially thought, what's the problem, it's just technical analysis on a massive scale pumping out trades for our profit using strategies and portfolios. But then thinking it over, I have been trading and using technical analysis a long time and OT since '98, so I am comfortable with the whole concept and with Ed too!

If I was someone with little trading experience or technical analysis skills then I can well imagine how utterly confusing and confronting OV might be initially. I put this flowchart together in the hope that it will help get some people over the initial hurdle of its perceived complexity because we users all need OV to work and be accepted out there in the market place, it's the only way we will reap its benefits in the years to come. BTW, I firmly believe that Ed Downs is the only person in this industry that can pull this sort of project off. Go Ed!

Looking forward to seeing the website.
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Subject : RE: How Omnivest Works
Posted : 5/12/2014 9:19 PM
Post #30543 - In reply to #30512

Jim: I've played with the settings as Steve mentioned and I concur with his findings. I'm running modified "Allocation % per trade" Portfolios and see the affects as I expected. So:
1 = Yes
2 = No
3 = Strat Lab output is a new labeled (e.g. Rx-x-SP(1)) strategy, so 'use the default' would be to use the base strategy?

Personal approach: Now, instead of making a new Strategy, I adjust the "Alloc" of the Strategy in the Portfolio view. As I see it, basically accomplishes the same as creating a new strat with "Allocation % per trade" defining a new % allocation. Now I only use the "Allocation % per trade" in the Strat Lab to see how strategies run across Lists in equal % allocation. A little less confusing for me.

Edit: I understand your point after reviewing strat lab page more. Seems you can reduce, not increase and there is no 'use default'? Never noticed because I was lowering % alloc - I'm a little risk adverse ;-)

[Edited by BrianD on 5/12/2014 9:45 PM]

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Subject : RE: How Omnivest Works
Posted : 5/13/2014 4:49 AM
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Thanks Brian. Yes I was thinking a "use the default for created Strat" checkbox would be useful, to instruct the Lab to ignore the "comparison" percentage and to create the custom Strat based on canned allocation instead. It's obvious that the Lab comparisons should be done with equal sizing for each test case - but once the test is done, the canned percent may be the way to go.

What we NEED is a true Position Sizing algorithm. One that everyone understands, and that the user can supply an OScript formula for. I provided such a formula to add a month or two ago, at his request, and he seemed to like it, but I guess it's currently in limbo - I'm not certain if it's planned for the future or not - or when.

I've really tried to keep up with sizing stuff, but honestly I'm *very confused* how the various rules re percentage effects from the orig Strat, the Stratlab pct, the Strat pct in port, the port pct in acct, and then the dynamic account-setting rules all interact.

I wish that someone with access to the code would just write up a single white paper that explains with math and examples how all of it interacts - every possible effect. Then at least we could "trace" the process and have sure knowledge of the Position Sizing in use.

[Edited by Jim Dean on 5/13/2014 4:58 AM]

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Subject : RE: How Omnivest Works
Posted : 7/12/2014 9:09 PM
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Steve Mayo:

Y E S Y E S Y E S

I'd be on THAT website right now if it were available....

I don't know the difference between a bit and a bite, or a '1' and a '0' etc., and don't care to. I'm on here to make some money. Period.

I don't mean to offend any purists on here, but it is beyond my menial capacity to understand what goes behind the knobs and levers.......and that's OK with me.

Just help me USE this (seemingly) wonderful product.

Thanx!

Bill
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Subject : RE: How Omnivest Works
Posted : 7/13/2014 12:49 PM
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Thanks Bill. I really do appreciate your speaking up for the non-techie user. I launched www.OmniVesting.com back in June, with exactly such a user in mind. There's a good bit of general OV information there, hopefully that is simple-to-understand. I'm planning to expand it to cover Strat Lab and ECA soon. I've been waiting to make sure we had the final interface design nailed down first.

[Edited by Steve Mayo on 7/13/2014 12:52 PM]

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Subject : RE: How Omnivest Works
Posted : 7/13/2014 1:07 PM
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Steve: Web site looks great. Excellent idea.
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Subject : RE: How Omnivest Works
Posted : 7/14/2014 9:37 PM
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Steve, I just went thru the 4 sections of the website! Love them. They look VERY helpful so far....but when I printed out the pages to have a hard copy to review as I walk thru the steps, I noticed that the right 2 inches of the page are cut off. I suspect there is some settings on my end that I might fiddle with to make it print the whole page - but I don't have this problem with 99% of the rest of the pages I print.

Is there a setting YOU can reset, or change, or allow the page to fully print, normally? Did your process LOCK the edges or lines, or format or anything like that?

Sorry I don't know the exact name of the problem - but wanted to see if you knew - and if it could be 'fixed' to allow full page printing by realigning the edges of the pages?.

Thanks!

Bill
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Subject : RE: How Omnivest Works
Posted : 7/14/2014 10:15 PM
Post #31143 - In reply to #31142

Hi, Bill
I thought I might be able to help you in case Steve Mayo is busy. There is "printer" icon (on the upper right hand area, just to the left of the "LOGIN" button) which works for me to properly format for printing (see snapshot below), otherwise you might try using landscape mode.


[Edited by SteveL on 7/14/2014 10:17 PM]

Attached file : 2014-07-14_21-11-40.png (12KB - 578 downloads)

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Subject : RE: How Omnivest Works
Posted : 7/14/2014 11:57 PM
Post #31144 - In reply to #31143

Y E S !

Thank you Steve L. I figured it was me....I was trying to use the 'print' on the top tabs......

OK, that is settled..........now.....

what's the best strategy for the best portfolio to make the best returns...... :-) :-)

Thanks again, Steve L.!

BillM
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Subject : RE: How Omnivest Works
Posted : 7/15/2014 7:41 PM
Post #31150 - In reply to #30524

Great flowchart graphic Geoff, thanks! Minor item: The sentence in your "Conditions" box (under Strategy Lab) seems incomplete (or cut off).

[Edited by Eric Severance on 7/15/2014 7:47 PM]

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Subject : RE: How Omnivest Works
Posted : 4/14/2019 2:18 PM
Post #37144 - In reply to #31135

Steve: I know we are a few years down the road, but I tried this website link and it is no longer available.

Can you refer me to another site that is intended to produce the original site's features, or are we smart enough to not need this kind of site?

Don

[Edited by Don_Schu on 4/14/2019 2:22 PM]

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